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Full Film: Grappling Is Better Than Wrestling

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In 2019 FloSports pitted the best wrestlers against the best grapplers to put an end to the age-old debate. Who's better, wrestlers or grapplers? Make sure to like, comment, and subscribe to access all of the latest jiu jitsu videos! Website: https://www.flograppling.com Subscribe: http://bit.ly/2q6hb5f Get the FloSports iOS App: http://bit.ly/FloGrapplingiOSApp_9 Follow FloGrappling Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FloGrappling/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/flograppling Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/flograppling/

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@theparodymonster13 years ago "grappling" is an umbrella term that BJJ falls under. Wrestling also falls under this term.
They are not the same but they are both grappling 314
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@BrandonGiordano3 years ago Modern jiu jitsu has evolved to kind of just be "submission grappling" a little bit of everything. As it should be 328
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@mraBJJ333 years ago I like the mentality of "the more the merrier" in jiu-jitsu. The wrestlers coming over to help the sport evolve even more and get more and more exciting is what I'd love to watch. 200
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@firegate63163 years ago We will evolve out of “Brazilian Jiu Jitsu” into the umbrella sport GRAPPLING.
A hybrid combat discipline which encompasses the best of every grappling art.
The same way leg-locks have evolved, so will takedowns. In 10-15 years GRAPPLING will surpass pure wrestling. ... 235
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@alvarezgamers3 years ago I wrestled in school and now a brown belt in BJJ. I can say for sure. Wrestling is the toughest thing I’ve ever done. Workouts are no joke. 24
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@maxiboii55183 years ago These guys are obsessed with this question, because they refuse to train both. You can only be relegated to one style and are confined to it's rules says them. Like wtf a wrestler who comes into BJJ is only still a wrestler? This is why MMA is best, least amount of limitations ... 19
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@thomasdavis86003 years ago Grappling is a general term that encompasses many styles. “It” can’t be better than wrestling. It is wrestling. 122
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@alandoyle20823 years ago Wrestling is pushing, bjj is pulling, you need both, but the tribalism makes it rare for one person to master both 72
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@wizal2123 years ago If you want to combine both styles, guard pulling should be -2 and the match starts standing. This way top position prioritized since the top person usually wins if striking was involved. However, there you can get caught from the top with submission ... 25
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@necros13l3 years ago Very grateful for this content and the push to make grappling all encompassing 1
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@sleepytwiggaming3 years ago I always thought grappling was all of the above? Wrestling/judo/jiujitsu/ catch/ Mongolian wrestling? 65
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@mohammadnashitsiddiqui21682 years ago I feel this is why many mma gyms are now doing grappling courses, to give a blend of both, ofcourse it's better to be focused on either one. As someone who mainly practises striking, I'm pleasantly surprised by how comprehensive grappling is. Amazing content! ... 2
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@axlefoxe3 years ago Hey flo people, what you guys are doing is amazing. Like honestly its making the sports better. Keep it up! 1
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@ashleymccarthy62323 years ago Flo, providing the best grappling content IN THE WORLD, FOR FREE, ON YOUTUBE. Thanks <3 2
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@kallepikku49913 years ago Nicky Rod: trained 10 years of wrestling, 6 months of jiu-jitsu. Yet these guys are talking about him as if he's a pure jiu-jitsu grappler. LoL. 37
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@chrisdryden20062 years ago I LOVED EVERY BIT OFF THESE GRAPPLING COMPETIONS I HAVE LEARNED QUIET A BIT HERE IN GENRAL IN 15 MINS SO THANK YOU RESPECTED THANK YOU SO MUCH!. GOD BLESS EVERY ONE TAKE CARE.
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@abrahamgabrielaritonang90673 years ago Khabib seeing this thumbnail, " im gonna smash you" 17
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@SIickTurtIe3 years ago Great feature, but I’m surprised that there wasn’t a third and final segment that involved the transition of either sport into the current MMA scene. It just seems that the drive, mindset and athletic prowess of top level wrestlers combined with fundamental BJJ/submission defense is a better base these days than let’s say a BJJ Blackbelt learn takedowns. There are always exceptions, but this seems to be the current trend. ... 39
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@AdHdEntertainmentLLC2 years ago As someone that has competed in both I love the hybrid model they have started. I say keep it going. 1
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@jenniturtleburger37083 years ago Without ground strikes, you won’t be able to know. Striking on the ground changes everything. 5
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@TENNSUMITSUMA3 years ago
If you're going to slam like that
1 - do it rampage style: all the way up to 12, then slam to 6
2 - slam them on their skull, not upper back! ... 7
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@aldojitsu3 years ago Did no one ever seriously consider a catch wrestling rule set for jiujiteiros vs wrestlers? You can win by either pin or submission and I believe there's a takedown and reversal based scoring system? 14
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@ironsurvival70113 years ago Special rules don’t show who’s better or what style is better. The rules should simply be, takedowns legal, submissions legal, maybe a time limit but definitely no stalling or passivity. Wrestling and Jiu Jitsu are arts that fall under the umbrella of grappling. The reason Jiu Jitsu is better as a combat art is because the end goal is submission which ends the fight. In a life and death combative situation you definitely want more than a hold or a pin in your arsenal. Choking a person unconscious or breaking a limb is pretty effective ... 2
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@mlampert76762 years ago Wrestling is better because after you’ve wrestled for a few years you can pick up jujitsu in a few months and destroy people 2
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@mo2ri5tz783 years ago why devide a nishe sport?! both are viable 10
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@SebastianLewisDove3 years ago Thanks flo grappling for the always awesome interesting content 1
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@matthewreed26143 years ago hold it…. grappling and jiujitsu are not synonymous ….. wrestling is grappling as well 7
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@andrewgrignon826last year Since I started in wrestling in highschool, then started Jiu Jitsu in my 40's, I can say the hardest thing about transitioning was to learn to be ok going on my back. In the beginning I would leave my neck open for strangle holds cause was trained to stay on my stomach. Where in JJ, being pinned on your back is ok and a form of most guys games, being in guard I mean ...
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@anselshort47983 years ago So what do you think of the idea of doing a race to 20 points match?? They have no submission match but is there somewhere they can go to do a match to a certain amount of points? I am new to jitsu i watch the ufc since first event one but never got to dive into grappling or mexican ground karate i have played soccer hockey and basketball ufc but i live in a small town where there is zero jiu jitsu gyms but i think the wrestling vs jitsu could be a good place where they could do a first to 50 points wins or something they both agreed to ...
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@aarontpassmore2 years ago Nicky Rod came in and made a big jiu jitsu splash, quickly, because he had a high competence in wrestling and had the wrestling speed and conditioning. If you add that dimension to all jj'ers then the whole sport advances. ... 4
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@kungfujoe21363 years ago the probelm with the slam is if you wanne do it right you do not slam on the back but the head
and you can do some serious dmg that way
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@1_Bad_Z3 years ago The Superior is Sakuraba. Saku an amateur wrestler trained under legendary Wigan Catch Wrestler Billy Robinson in the almost lost art of Catch as Catch can. Saku aka Gracie hunter even took out heavy weight Bjj black belt Marcus "Conan" Solveira @ UFC in 1997. The style of Catch Wrestling that Saku displayed, had never been seen, in NHB competition. ... 1
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@909.33 years ago Great video now you guys should do olympic level judoka vs world class Jiu jiutero
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@toughfff7123 years ago There is no perfect rule set, for a show down. You will always see the wrestler being better at take downs, and BJJ being able to grab a submission. It is their strengths. Anything that reduces or limits those strengths, will water down the bout making it boring. ... 1
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@walkingcorpse12243 years ago Wrestling is a form of grappling. Jiu Jitsu is now sort of a jack of all trades grappling Martial Art, however, what makes arts such as Sambo, Catch As Catch Can and Judo stand out are the rulings. Personally I think Sambo is the best grappling art, followed by Jiu Jitsu and then Catch As Catch Can, otherwise everything else from Wrestling to Judo to Bokh is just something to add to ur repitoire in the arts of Sambo, Catch and Jits, that's what makes grappling so interesting, but yes these grappling arts' rulings are where the differences and the players lie. ... 4
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@IphigeniaAtAulis3 years ago To me, wrestling is just a form of grappling, just like jiu-jitsu is a form of grappling. If you think about it, it's like saying which is better, Ford or Chevy. There are definitely some people who will defend to the death one being better than the other, but ultimately if you think about it, they are both cars and will both get you from point A to point B. ... 1
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@martinclarke29033 years ago I wish they had done 3 matches, free style, Folk Style and submission grappling. Then you might have learned something. 4
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@nathdog19922 years ago Could you not have some kinda of ruleset where you're not allowed to pull guard, and where you can win by Submission, Pin or explosive takedown eg Ippon style in judo?
That might work as a balance between the disciplines? ... 1
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@renegadebuddhacoach3 years ago It is much easier for a world class wrestler to learn submissions than for a BJJ guy to learn Take downs. And both have to learn to strike. 1
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@tricktop90643 years ago A mix is the best use the best parts of both
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@suplexedlast year Allow leg locks and guard pulls, but if wrestler ecapes guard and stands up, match resets standing. Wrestler has a chance of winning by takedown points or by pinning, jiujitsu player has a good chance of winning by submission. Both athletes are able to use their entire offensive arsenal. I don't see how it's that complicated to come up with a good ruleset. ...
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@gailvalleymartialarts2 years ago Videos are better than YouTube videos!
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@macleod15923 years ago I think the answer is both. Wrestling is the best at controlling their opponent's body but since there are no submissions, they can't finish. So you take wrestling to control the opponent and BJJ to finish them and you have the perfect art. ... 1
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@hurneeta2 years ago Where was Judo in this conversation? Arguably the top grappling martial art in the world based on number of competitor that compete in the Olympics. Take down based game with heavy emphasis on gripping and throwing. Chances to pin and submit your opponent. ...
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@michaelsanchez77983 years ago You don't seem to understand the word grappling. Wrestling is grappling. To grapple means to grab. All forms of wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Sambo, etc are grappling. 2
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@vitorv45263 years ago Very important question !!!
Is grappling a overword for jiu jitsu and wrestling or is grappling more jiu jitsu than wrestling ??
I dont get it .... 1
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@The-Dom3 years ago lol just full on giving the guy your back and him refusing to take it is a giant W. Such a great wrestler to scared to take him down. 1
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@jrodriguez19303 years ago Flograppling, what if you did no points for step outs. Takedown only count if they hold them down for 3 seconds?
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@sbag112 years ago I guess to each his own, but for me, the ultimate ruleset was NHB. In terms of competition, for me, the whole point to whatever style you practice -- wrestling, jiu-jitsu, karate, boxing, muay thai, etc. -- is to be maximally effective in a one-on-one, empty-hand, who's-the-man fight to the finish (incapacitation of opponent) with referee interference, no rounds, and no time limits. So, whatever style, set of techniques, approach -- whatever you want to call it -- that is the best in true NHB, is the best, period. ...
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@brianandzane3 years ago In the 1st 20 seconds I thought I accidentally clicked on a how to grow magic mushrooms Tutorial with Bader and his guest 😂
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@thecryptotrapper10303 years ago Um Nick Rodriguez with Wrestling Background Blue belt in BJJ slaughtered Roberto “Cyborg” Abreu(Black Belt BJJ) 9
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@jacobharris95410 months ago Wrestlers are grapplers but not all grapplers are wrestlers, wrestling is a style of grappling, because grappling is one of the two aspect of unarmed combat, the other is striking
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@umoplata3 years ago Great idea but 20 years late to the party :) check out John Perreti's "contenders " show.. had Royce algers, Kenny Monday and Kevin Jackson in the mix some of the very best wrestlers
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@genairegreen3 years ago I would imagine the wrestlers take down on concrete would end the fight 3
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@bribee66523 years ago , Rickson Gracie v Dan Gable,
Gordon Ryan v Billy Robinson ???? 1
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@jackd38083 years ago Wrestling just needs submissions and they’re good to go and become the ultimate grappling form.
Without the submissions the level of offense stagnates at controlling the opponent. 2
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@elgato95953 years ago My son a high level wrestler in high school who is also a 3 stripe blue belt in bjj winning ibjjf comps plus gearing up for his season, to make state all at the age of 16.. DOUBLE FIVE BJJ/ Highland Park high
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@jacobohm4438last year Doing BJJ made me realize how badass wrestler are. Much respect
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@anthonysiu60103 years ago you can't please both either the wrestler learns more submissions and defense. by not allowing guard pulling (or sitting down is negative points) or leglocks you're just dilluting the sport. This might sound crazy but if you make takedowns score more (3? Pins 4 points) than the position scores (pass guard, mount and back takes) and heres the crazy part... submissions could score (5?) with a limit to 3 per match then you automatically win. ...
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@wgjung13 years ago Different sports. They have similarities like American Football and Rugby, or Handball and Basketball.
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@nikulas912 years ago Hmm… what Martial art would win in a fight… one that ends in an arm breaking/being killed or getting taken down and put on your back…
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@gianpava3 years ago combat wrestling has an interesting ruleset 1
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@paulyj3 years ago the rule set should be submission only. What is the point of being able to take the fight to the ground if you can't finish it there? 15
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@BG-sj7zh3 years ago im a purple belt and I agree wrestlers are tougher not even a question 1
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@chadashton70292 years ago BJJ needs a step-out rule. Not points per step-out but after so many...points or neg. points.
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@SwordTune3 years ago BJJ is just a different kind of wrestling. All grappling uses wrestling in some way. Submissions are not new, not even using the jacket is new. Wrestling has and always will be integral to human fighting. 1
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@sabbirjaigirder12463 years ago just grappling match between gordon ryan vs khabib would be an interesting match 2
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@wolfpackmixedmartialarts63863 years ago Dumb title which is better grappling or wrestling.wrestling is a blanket term there are many styles of wrestling.Greco-Roman collegiate folkstyle catch-as-catch-can sumo . Many styles of wrestling also has submissions in it depending on the style it's just that is not widely studied or practice as much as a modern-day Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ... 1
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@SlightyStuupid2 years ago Hell yes, We need to get rid of pulling guard and force these guys to wrestle!
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@I3orrovv3 years ago Put a wrestler and a jiu jitsu player in a cage, all holds allowed, no striking, no out of bounds, submission only. That's how this should be done. 1
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@ayasugihada3 years ago perfect ruleset might be a hardwood floor 1
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@Soulful_Oatmilk2 years ago I wonder if we could have a Judo-like rule set, we're there are ippon victories
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@TstanDa-Man2 years ago You can take an elite wrestler and make him an elite jujitsu guy you can’t take an elite jujitsu guy and make him an elite wrestler won’t happened 1
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@Luckadoo3 years ago No need for a middle ground. Just grapple. 1
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@tichtran6643 years ago You can have BOTH grappling and wrestling. It is called CATCH WRESTLING. It is like mixing freestyle wrestling(freestyle wrestling actually EVOLVED FROM CATCH WRESTLING) with submission wrestling. And before you think of "fake" fights(ie pro wrestling) there is ALSO LEGIT CATCH WRESTLING COMPETITIONS. As in the Snake Pit Wigan(original gym for catch wrestling)catch wrestling world championship. Or even the Snake Pit USA catch wrestling world championship. But if you HATE the pin then there is Luta Livre a BRAZILIAN VERSION OF CATCH WRESTLING. Just like how brazilian jujutsu is actually brazilian version of judo WITH MORE NEWAGA. While luta livre is catch wrestling WITHOUT PINNING just submission. ... 1
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@machinelearningzone.62302 years ago It should be grappling with slams allowed and submissions. That would settle the debate.
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@tha1ne3 years ago How do you get a jiu jitsu player off your front porch? Pay for the pizza. ... am I slow, what does this even mean lol 1
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@3642456725411 months ago so basically, the submission grappler won the submission grappling contest and the wrestler won the wrestling contest. Who would have guessed, right.
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@dixonbuttes2 years ago Look all I know is if there’s an mma fight between a collegiate wrestler who got 1 year of BJJ and a BJJ black belt who got 1 year of wrestling, I’m betting on the wrestler 100% of the time.
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@illusionxmuta3 years ago I guess Flo’s going to pretend that catch wrestling doesn’t exist. 3
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@behindtheseeyesiseewhatyou89532 years ago After 30 years of
Wrestling
1. Sambo
2. Folk
3. Greco
4. Free
5. Catch
Judo
BJJ
Sub Grappling
I have the ideal Rule Set
1. All slams are counted. All take
Downs are counted.
Feet to back 4
Ippon 4
Wazi Ari 2
All others no score
If you pull gaurd your opponent can slam, no spiking on top of head.
If you jump gaurd… you can be slammed out of it or…. Your opponent can walk you out of bounds. You can try to grapple
Out of it but if are walked out without your feet touching the ground -1
If you fail to turn a jump
Gaurd into a positive position and you drop
Off.. -2
Pins are Judo style. If you can pin your opponent for 15 seconds with no escape or advance-2. 30 seconds win…
Mount and back tales are 2 points. Escapes are 2 points.
Subs
All except small
Joint manipulation.
First to 15….
More Wrestlers from the Greco world and Judo players will come to compete.
In war you don’t drop to your ass.. in the street I’d you butt scoot your ass will hurt… ...
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@richarddavis52892 years ago Wrestling is grappling. And encompassing different styles, with wrestling as your base is probably the best. But just wrestling on it's own of course falls short. What discipline doesn't? BJJ on it's own is insufficient as well in the UFC. ...
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@otiszoff80792 years ago One is an Olympic sport with a clear cut career path.
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@IntegratedMMAHQ3 years ago Wrestling, BJJ , Grappling.. we love all combative sports 1
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@christopherwalker60563 years ago I have never heard anyone use the words wrestling and grappling together in the same sentence. Because I always thought they were the same thing. In highschool if someone said what are you doing after school? And us on the wrestling team would often answer "grappling.". Because it's the same thing I thought? I always thought grappling meant physical combat without striking, like punching or kicking. As a matter of fact I thought in the same way that punching and kicking are ways of Striking, wrestling, judo and jujitsu were all forms of Grappling? That Grappling is just the umbrella term for those three? ... 2
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@jesseproctor52663 years ago Loses 12-0. "He held his own" 2
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@tyvonable2 years ago To behonest I would say wrestling is better. If u take both out of their element and see who is more successful, it would be wrestling. The prime example is MMA/ UFC, where most successful people are the ones with wrestling background. But a mix of both is necessary, I'm convinced that bjj guys needs to learn wrestling. Because look at the match of gordan ryan exposing his back just to get taken down, so that they could groundfight because his stand up game is basically bad. That's why I'm going to practice wrestling to improve my bjj game. ...

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